Running Vista?

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John B. Kalla Volunteer tester Joined: Oct 18 06 Posts: 54 ID: 188 Credit: 104,643 RAC: 0	Message 2549 - Posted 21 Feb 2007 11:19:14 UTC
	I'd like to hear if Vista has any effect on running BOINC. Anyone trying it? I'm afraid to, since my Mac works so well with the MacOS... ____________ John *MacPro* 2 x 2.66GHz Dual-Core Xeon \| 2GB RAM \| ATI x1900 \| BOINC 5.9.5
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j2satx Volunteer tester Joined: Dec 22 06 Posts: 183 ID: 339 Credit: 16,191,581 RAC: 0	Message 2551 - Posted 21 Feb 2007 17:34:52 UTC - in response to Message ID 2549 .
	I'd like to hear if Vista has any effect on running BOINC. Anyone trying it? I'm afraid to, since my Mac works so well with the MacOS... Look on the SETI and Rosetta forums.....lots of discussions there. I ran it for six months or so under the Vista Beta, no problems. I did not run it as a service. I believe that requires unusual configuration.
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Rene Volunteer tester Joined: Oct 2 06 Posts: 121 ID: 160 Credit: 109,415 RAC: 0	Message 2552 - Posted 21 Feb 2007 17:46:29 UTC - in response to Message ID 2549 . Last modified: 21 Feb 2007 18:02:15 UTC
	I'd like to hear if Vista has any effect on running BOINC. Anyone trying it? I'm afraid to, since my Mac works so well with the MacOS... Vista and BOINC did not cause any problems for me so far. A couple of months ago I downloaded RC1 and got the required key from Microsoft. Also ran some BOINC dev_builds on it and since the release here in Holland I am the owner of Vista Home Premium. At this moment I've got the 5.8.11 release running. (see this host ... single user install) Attached to ABC, Seti and Docking... it's also running under Aero. Here a nice screenshot... So as far as I can tell... it's running fine. ;-) ____________
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David Ball Forum moderator Volunteer tester Joined: Sep 18 06 Posts: 274 ID: 115 Credit: 1,634,401 RAC: 0	Message 2553 - Posted 21 Feb 2007 19:16:02 UTC - in response to Message ID 2552 .
	Thanks for the info. Can you run several tasks at once with only 1 GB of ram on Vista? What video card are you using? How responsive is the system? Most of the new systems in my price range come with 1 GB of ram and I'm wondering if that's enough for someone like me who's typical mix of simultaneously running programs includes BOINC client, MS-Access, Thunderbird, Notepad, Firefox, and often OpenOffice, Frontpage, ssh, sftp, or VisualStudio, all of those open at the same time. I keep the bar at the bottom of the screen that shows running tasks/window buttons 3 rows high (with autohide) and sometimes I still manage to get it into the mode where it combines multiple instances of the same program into a single button with dropdown to select which instance. I hate that mode because it doesn't go back to single button mode until ALL programs on the task bar have been closed. Does Vista do Internet Connection Sharing? I have a second XP machine and a Ubuntu Linux machine using my main XP box to get at the 56k modem (no broadband available here except satellite). I was surprised that the Linux machine only had to be setup to use DHCP and ICS looks just like a router/DHCP master. I wouldn't have thought WinXP would play that nice with Linux, but it does. Sorry for all the questions but my main machine is starting to have component failures (HD, CD-R/W, and power supply have been replaced) so it looks like I'm going to have to finally replace it and the new machines now come only with Vista. Fortunately, if it goes, I have a USB hard drive I do backups on once or twice a week. TIA, -- David ____________ The views expressed are my own. Facts are subject to memory error :-) Have you read a good science fiction novel lately?
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Rene Volunteer tester Joined: Oct 2 06 Posts: 121 ID: 160 Credit: 109,415 RAC: 0	Message 2554 - Posted 21 Feb 2007 19:54:52 UTC - in response to Message ID 2553 . Last modified: 21 Feb 2007 20:00:21 UTC
	Thanks for the info. Can you run several tasks at once with only 1 GB of ram on Vista? What video card are you using? How responsive is the system? On my Pentium D 805 (dual core @2.66Ghz) 1Gb I don't have problems running more than one application (BOINC included 2 cores crunching) Swap file has been moved to the non-system HD... system remaines responsive. Video-card: Club 3D Radeon 9600, 256Mb GDDR, 128bit, DVI, CRT and TV out. Most of the new systems in my price range come with 1 GB of ram and I'm wondering if that's enough for someone like me who's typical mix of simultaneously running programs includes BOINC client, MS-Access, Thunderbird, Notepad, Firefox, and often OpenOffice, Frontpage, ssh, sftp, or VisualStudio, all of those open at the same time. I keep the bar at the bottom of the screen that shows running tasks/window buttons 3 rows high (with autohide) and sometimes I still manage to get it into the mode where it combines multiple instances of the same program into a single button with dropdown to select which instance. I hate that mode because it doesn't go back to single button mode until ALL programs on the task bar have been closed. To be honest... I think you should try getting a system with 2Gb or more. Although 1Gb works for me... more is always better. Does Vista do Internet Connection Sharing? I have a second XP machine and a Ubuntu Linux machine using my main XP box to get at the 56k modem (no broadband available here except satellite). I was surprised that the Linux machine only had to be setup to use DHCP and ICS looks just like a router/DHCP master. I wouldn't have thought WinXP would play that nice with Linux, but it does. I don't think I can fully answer that question for you... I have a 4 port Speedtouch DSL modem. All computers are using that for internet connection. What I can tell is that Vista, Ubuntu, XP and WinME don't have problems seeing each other in my privat network. I will have to redo the Samba settings on my Ubuntu host for the Vista box (file sharing), but apart from that no problems. Sorry for all the questions but my main machine is starting to have component failures (HD, CD-R/W, and power supply have been replaced) so it looks like I'm going to have to finally replace it and the new machines now come only with Vista. Fortunately, if it goes, I have a USB hard drive I do backups on once or twice a week. TIA, -- David No problem... we are here to help each other when needed. ;-) Edit: sorry for the screenshot not loading sometimes. There seems to be a problem at my ISP and the webspace there. ____________
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suguruhirahara Forum moderator Volunteer tester Joined: Sep 13 06 Posts: 282 ID: 15 Credit: 56,614 RAC: 0	Message 2556 - Posted 21 Feb 2007 22:27:07 UTC - in response to Message ID 2554 .
	Thanks for the info. Can you run several tasks at once with only 1 GB of ram on Vista? What video card are you using? How responsive is the system? On my Pentium D 805 (dual core @2.66Ghz) 1Gb I don't have problems running more than one application (BOINC included 2 cores crunching) Swap file has been moved to the non-system HD... system remaines responsive. Video-card: Club 3D Radeon 9600, 256Mb GDDR, 128bit, DVI, CRT and TV out. Most of the new systems in my price range come with 1 GB of ram and I'm wondering if that's enough for someone like me who's typical mix of simultaneously running programs includes BOINC client, MS-Access, Thunderbird, Notepad, Firefox, and often OpenOffice, Frontpage, ssh, sftp, or VisualStudio, all of those open at the same time. I keep the bar at the bottom of the screen that shows running tasks/window buttons 3 rows high (with autohide) and sometimes I still manage to get it into the mode where it combines multiple instances of the same program into a single button with dropdown to select which instance. I hate that mode because it doesn't go back to single button mode until ALL programs on the task bar have been closed. To be honest... I think you should try getting a system with 2Gb or more. Although 1Gb works for me... more is always better. I was using Vista beta but I gave up yesterday, since it uses so large size of swap and several workunits (not of this project) failed to be successed. IMO 1GB RAM isn't enough for Vista. I started using XP x64 again, and it's much more stable with 1GB RAM :) ____________ I'm a volunteer participant; my views are not necessarily those of Docking@Home or its participating institutions.
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Andre Kerstens Forum moderator Project tester Volunteer tester Joined: Sep 11 06 Posts: 749 ID: 1 Credit: 15,199 RAC: 0	Message 2557 - Posted 21 Feb 2007 23:46:17 UTC - in response to Message ID 2553 .
	You might want to try a Mac for a change :-) I made the switch 2 years ago and will never look back: a great and workable gui (vista got most of their looks from there) with a unix shell underneath, what can a techie wish more for :-) AK Thanks for the info. Can you run several tasks at once with only 1 GB of ram on Vista? What video card are you using? How responsive is the system? Most of the new systems in my price range come with 1 GB of ram and I'm wondering if that's enough for someone like me who's typical mix of simultaneously running programs includes BOINC client, MS-Access, Thunderbird, Notepad, Firefox, and often OpenOffice, Frontpage, ssh, sftp, or VisualStudio, all of those open at the same time. I keep the bar at the bottom of the screen that shows running tasks/window buttons 3 rows high (with autohide) and sometimes I still manage to get it into the mode where it combines multiple instances of the same program into a single button with dropdown to select which instance. I hate that mode because it doesn't go back to single button mode until ALL programs on the task bar have been closed. Does Vista do Internet Connection Sharing? I have a second XP machine and a Ubuntu Linux machine using my main XP box to get at the 56k modem (no broadband available here except satellite). I was surprised that the Linux machine only had to be setup to use DHCP and ICS looks just like a router/DHCP master. I wouldn't have thought WinXP would play that nice with Linux, but it does. Sorry for all the questions but my main machine is starting to have component failures (HD, CD-R/W, and power supply have been replaced) so it looks like I'm going to have to finally replace it and the new machines now come only with Vista. Fortunately, if it goes, I have a USB hard drive I do backups on once or twice a week. TIA, -- David ____________ D@H the greatest project in the world... a while from now!
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David Ball Forum moderator Volunteer tester Joined: Sep 18 06 Posts: 274 ID: 115 Credit: 1,634,401 RAC: 0	Message 2558 - Posted 22 Feb 2007 2:27:03 UTC - in response to Message ID 2557 .
	You might want to try a Mac for a change :-) I made the switch 2 years ago and will never look back: a great and workable gui (vista got most of their looks from there) with a unix shell underneath, what can a techie wish more for :-) AK I'd consider a MAC, but they're a bit on the expensive side and I don't know how tied in to Apple you are for memory and disk upgrades. I'm also wondering how switching to the x86 architecture is going to change the situation with respect to Virus/Malware. I had always thought being on the PPC was a good part of the reason they had so few problems. BTW, I started with computers in the CP/M days and I often do things with command line, even on WinXP. There are so many things that are easier in a shell and you're more likely to know that the program is really doing :-) I'd probably be on Linux for my main machine now if I didn't have a huge legacy app/database that uses Access 2000 and VisualStudio 6 C++ with DAO. I also do some c# stuff but I'm not sure of the current state of the MONO c# compiler/runtime. I'm going to have to do some playing with getting the WINE emulator working on my Linux machine. One thing I have noticed is that Gnome on a machine that can run a docking WU in 4 hours seems less responsive than WinXP on a machine that takes about 5 hours to run a Docking WU. BTW, I'm not a gamer so I don't need super fast 3D graphics. I usually get/build systems which use a motherboard with builtin graphics. I certainly don't need a graphics card (or cards) that eat up more power than the rest of the system combined. Low power is a good thing :-) -- David ____________ The views expressed are my own. Facts are subject to memory error :-) Have you read a good science fiction novel lately?
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John B. Kalla Volunteer tester Joined: Oct 18 06 Posts: 54 ID: 188 Credit: 104,643 RAC: 0	Message 2559 - Posted 22 Feb 2007 4:35:10 UTC - in response to Message ID 2558 .
	You might want to try a Mac for a change :-) I made the switch 2 years ago and will never look back: a great and workable gui (vista got most of their looks from there) with a unix shell underneath, what can a techie wish more for :-) AK I'd consider a MAC, but they're a bit on the expensive side and I don't know how tied in to Apple you are for memory and disk upgrades. I'm also wondering how switching to the x86 architecture is going to change the situation with respect to Virus/Malware. I had always thought being on the PPC was a good part of the reason they had so few problems. BTW, I started with computers in the CP/M days and I often do things with command line, even on WinXP. There are so many things that are easier in a shell and you're more likely to know that the program is really doing :-) I'd probably be on Linux for my main machine now if I didn't have a huge legacy app/database that uses Access 2000 and VisualStudio 6 C++ with DAO. I also do some c# stuff but I'm not sure of the current state of the MONO c# compiler/runtime. I'm going to have to do some playing with getting the WINE emulator working on my Linux machine. One thing I have noticed is that Gnome on a machine that can run a docking WU in 4 hours seems less responsive than WinXP on a machine that takes about 5 hours to run a Docking WU. BTW, I'm not a gamer so I don't need super fast 3D graphics. I usually get/build systems which use a motherboard with built-in graphics. I certainly don't need a graphics card (or cards) that eat up more power than the rest of the system combined. Low power is a good thing :-) -- David Macs use the same memory and drives (SATA) that regular PCs do. Viruses and adware/spyware are generally written for the OS, not the processor. The virus has to have a way to execute. Exceptions being macros that are written for MS Office, which both Macs and PCs run. Personally, I've NEVER seen a real virus or spyware/adware running on any of my Macs. If you like Linux and shell, you'll like the Mac! It's got a BSD UNIX kernel and can use the shell or terminal. Basically, a new Mac is PC hardware running UNIX with the MacOS running on top (like KDE or X Windows). I'm not a gamer, either, but I still opted for the ATI Radeon x1900 videocard in my Mac Pro so it will run my 30" monitor easier than the stock nVidia card. If you don't need that, a Mac Mini or iMac might be your cup of tea. They are fairly inexpensive and still elegant. Of course, they're no $300 Dell or eMachines PC... Just thought I'd add my own $.02. :) ____________ John *MacPro* 2 x 2.66GHz Dual-Core Xeon \| 2GB RAM \| ATI x1900 \| BOINC 5.9.5
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Rene Volunteer tester Joined: Oct 2 06 Posts: 121 ID: 160 Credit: 109,415 RAC: 0	Message 2561 - Posted 22 Feb 2007 6:15:44 UTC - in response to Message ID 2556 .
	I was using Vista beta but I gave up yesterday, since it uses so large size of swap and several workunits (not of this project) failed to be successed. IMO 1GB RAM isn't enough for Vista. I started using XP x64 again, and it's much more stable with 1GB RAM :) IMO you are also right about the 1Gb... but I haven't had any problems up till now. With BOINC and other things running like Areo running, approx 620Mb of the memory is in use and there is a swap file created of 2299Mb (approx 845Mb in use). As stated in an earlier post, the swap file has been moved from the (Western Digital) system disk to the non system disk (Maxtor 7200 rpm). I also use that disk for backup. In time I will surely upgrade the memory... all that is needed at this moment is some cash... so if someone is willing to contribute... ;-) ____________
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clownius Volunteer tester Joined: Nov 14 06 Posts: 61 ID: 280 Credit: 2,677 RAC: 0	Message 2658 - Posted 3 Mar 2007 17:36:11 UTC
	Im a bit cheep here lol. I agree Macs are now great (they even use Intel chips now lol) but i don't see a reason to pay more for a computer with a decent OS when Linux offers much the same deal as Mac OSX these days. I could always recommend Kubuntu 6.10 for x windoze users and Ubuntu for x mac users. Same back end but different GUI. As for Vista opt for at least 2Gb of RAM (im told this is about the same as Xp on 512Mbor stick with OSX or Linux thats happy with 512Mb (can even get away with 256Mb with little slowdown) of RAM your choice. I will say more RAM is always better and using swap is not a good way to keep things moving fast. ____________
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Aaron Finney Volunteer tester Joined: Mar 23 07 Posts: 74 ID: 367 Credit: 2,409,831 RAC: 0	Message 3000 - Posted 12 Apr 2007 6:50:20 UTC - in response to Message ID 2549 .
	I'd like to hear if Vista has any effect on running BOINC. Anyone trying it? I'm afraid to, since my Mac works so well with the MacOS... I'm running it on vista as a service. It did require some advanced configuration to get it running flawlessly as I wanted it to run as a service, but I can help you with it if you need assistance. For one, you need to go into the service settings inside the Administrator Tools, and change it so that it logs on as a local system account, and give it permission to interact with the desktop. Then you have to change the recovery options so that on each failure it will simply restart the service. I have mine set to restart the service after 2 minutes, but am considering lowering it to 1 minute. For some reason, the BOINC service tends to 'exit' itself in Vista. You'll find your credit slowly dwindling especially if you like to leave your computer on all the time. I've heard that there are going to be some fixes to make BOINC work better with Vista, the dev channels have been talking about it for a while now. ____________
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David Ball Forum moderator Volunteer tester Joined: Sep 18 06 Posts: 274 ID: 115 Credit: 1,634,401 RAC: 0	Message 3005 - Posted 12 Apr 2007 10:05:37 UTC
	Thanks for all the responses! Well, I got the eMachine T5226 and I'm using BOINC to burn it in. I got rid of some of the software clutter that comes with the machine that I don't need. It only has 1 GB of ram, but it doesn't seem to have any problem running BOINC. I have BOINC installed in the "allow all users" mode rather than running as a service. I don't think it's actually swapping. What seems to have happened is that Vista started a bunch of stuff and rolled everything but the working set out to swap. I think most of that stuff just stays in swap and never gets paged in to ram. I just stay logged in and it runs BOINC fine. I haven't experienced the problem with BOINC stopping by itself. I wonder if that's because it's running as a service on your machine. It sure would help if we knew more of what goes on behind the scenes with all those security popup boxes. Maybe it needs to pop one up for the service. I've basically seen 3 problems so far. 1. There are a lot of patches coming out which require reboots. This is annoying. BTW, I stop BOINC manually before a reboot because of the issue with Vista not giving programs enough time to finish up before killing them when it wants to shutdown. 2. On the transfers tab, it seems to not update the screen right on downloads. The percent downloaded field often stays at zero, then starts updating after the download is maybe 30% to 80% complete. Sometimes, it never goes above zero even when the download completes. The file IS downloading during this time and the elapsed time field updates, but not the Progress field. Once it starts updating the Progress field, it continues to update it for that file. With the normal 2 files downloading at once, you may have any combination of 0, 1, or 2 of them updating the progress field. When only 1 is updating, it might be the top one or it might be the other one updating. 3. This is a Vista BUG, but it also causes problems for BOINC. I am stuck on dialup until DSL reaches this far from town. I have a WinXP machine which handles the modem and does internet connection sharing. I was surprised to find that Microsoft actually used standards for this. I have another WinXP machine and a Linux machine which work perfectly with this setup. The WinXP machine with the modem acts as a DHCP host, DNS server, and router for the other XP machine and the Linux machine, which are all connected by ethernet. Vista has problems though. If there's the slightest problem, like a delay for a packet re-transmission or another machine doing a small transfer and slowing it down, Vista ends the file transfer. That would be OK if Vista told the application that it had an error but Vista apparently just tells the application that the transfer completed. Then BOINC checksums the file and reports a client download error rather than re-trying and completing the download like the XP and Linux machines do. It's not a BOINC problem because Internet Explorer has the same problem when you tell it to download a file to disk. It downloads a bit of the file, there's a delay for packet re-transmission or something, and Internet Explorer stops and reports that the download has completed successfully, but only a fraction of the file was actually downloaded. Then the piece of a file causes an error when you try to use it because it isn't all there. I've had to disconnect the Vista machine from the ethernet network and let it use it's own dial-up modem to get internet access to work properly. BTW, does anyone else think that the Aero interface is kind of ugly when it tries to make the outside of a window be translucent and basically scrambles the underlying text so that it's barely unreadable? Happy Crunching, -- David Ball ____________ The views expressed are my own. Facts are subject to memory error :-) Have you read a good science fiction novel lately?
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Rene Volunteer tester Joined: Oct 2 06 Posts: 121 ID: 160 Credit: 109,415 RAC: 0	Message 3012 - Posted 12 Apr 2007 19:08:56 UTC - in response to Message ID 3005 .
	BTW, does anyone else think that the Aero interface is kind of ugly when it tries to make the outside of a window be translucent and basically scrambles the underlying text so that it's barely unreadable? Happy Crunching, -- David Ball Well to be totally honest... I've learned to live with it... ;-) Aero comes as a "frosty" look and after a while you get used to it. Maybe in the future there will be better 3D-like themes, but let's not forget we are in the first stages of what might come. Linux is also "playing" with 3D desktops... video-cards are getting better and better... lots to come I would say. ____________
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David Ball Forum moderator Volunteer tester Joined: Sep 18 06 Posts: 274 ID: 115 Credit: 1,634,401 RAC: 0	Message 3015 - Posted 12 Apr 2007 22:00:31 UTC
	I'll have to play with my video settings some more. I'm also getting used to a LCD monitor at the same time and it tends to show very different colors and a much brighter screen than my old CRT. One thing the LCD does a really great job on is the Docking@Home banner. I can see a lot more detail than on my old, smaller, CRT. I haven't really noticed the 3D stuff on Linux, but I'm just learning Gnome (Ubuntu 6.10). I am used to using SSH so I do just about everything from a command line..... using nano for an editor :-) All my machines use onboard video since I'm not a gamer. My linux machine is S3 Unichrome, which could be better :( -- David ____________ The views expressed are my own. Facts are subject to memory error :-) Have you read a good science fiction novel lately?
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KSMarksPsych Volunteer tester Joined: Sep 13 06 Posts: 26 ID: 87 Credit: 8,222 RAC: 0	Message 3019 - Posted 13 Apr 2007 1:33:01 UTC
	Here's a registry hack Jord put up on the BOINC boards to make Vista wait a bit longer to shut down.
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David Ball Forum moderator Volunteer tester Joined: Sep 18 06 Posts: 274 ID: 115 Credit: 1,634,401 RAC: 0	Message 3020 - Posted 13 Apr 2007 3:19:03 UTC - in response to Message ID 3019 .
	Here's a registry hack Jord put up on the BOINC boards to make Vista wait a bit longer to shut down. Thanks for the pointer. I really should spend more time over there but if I read all the forums I'd like to, I'd never get anything else done :-) Happy Crunching, -- David ____________ The views expressed are my own. Facts are subject to memory error :-) Have you read a good science fiction novel lately?
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