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Message 6640 - Posted 4 Apr 2012 7:49:23 UTC

At DPC there are several cows complaining about the fact they get longer Wu's but the amount of credits are still the same.
Any info on when the credits follow the time-increase ?

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Message 6641 - Posted 4 Apr 2012 8:11:19 UTC

Example from same host , running stock core i5 2500

Before: runtime: 6,492.14 seconds -> credits 133.98 ( WU info )
After: runtime: 12,890.60 seconds -> Credits 138.59 ( WU info )

Increase of computing time: 100%
Increase of credits: 3%

How wrong is that? Please fix the credits (or the WU's)

PS: Notice that the WU's are actually claiming twice as much credit.. but the only granted roughly the same

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Message 6642 - Posted 4 Apr 2012 8:31:29 UTC

1h??1d4h* results seem to be the long running ones, the program version didn't change and stderr doesn't show anything unusual so I guess it is normal for this result series.

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Message 6643 - Posted 4 Apr 2012 11:48:23 UTC

Yes, ASAP correction of the credit for these units seem to be fair. Is sombebody of the project reading this stuff?

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Message 6644 - Posted 4 Apr 2012 12:02:44 UTC
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A list of previous and current tasks for one of my PC's.
Please update the points granted to match CPU time of other tasks, or update all other points to match the difference.

pphc = points per hour claimed
pphg = points per hour granted
factor = (granted/claimed)


New tasks
seconds claimed granted pphc pphg factor
result workunit 25818,10 92,53 138,59 12,90 19,32 1,50
result workunit 25815,34 92,52 138,59 12,90 19,33 1,50
result workunit 25846,98 92,63 138,59 12,90 19,30 1,50
result workunit 25869,60 92,71 138,59 12,90 19,29 1,49
result workunit 25824,84 92,55 138,59 12,90 19,32 1,50
result workunit 25819,99 92,53 138,59 12,90 19,32 1,50
result workunit 25887,55 92,78 138,59 12,90 19,27 1,49
result workunit 25847,20 92,63 138,59 12,90 19,30 1,50
total 206729,60 740,88 1108,72 12,90 19,31 1,50 average
12,90 19,27 1,49 min
12,90 19,33 1,50 max
Old tasks
result workunit 13061,85 46,81 133,93 12,90 36,91 2,86
result workunit 13008,30 46,62 134,70 12,90 37,28 2,89
result workunit 12998,44 46,58 134,70 12,90 37,31 2,89
result workunit 13033,52 46,71 133,93 12,90 36,99 2,87
result workunit 12934,56 46,35 134,70 12,90 37,49 2,91
result workunit 13072,04 46,85 133,93 12,90 36,88 2,86
result workunit 13151,29 47,13 145,52 12,90 39,83 3,09
result workunit 13104,27 46,96 145,52 12,90 39,98 3,10
result workunit 13063,62 46,82 145,52 12,90 40,10 3,11
result workunit 13129,67 47,05 146,15 12,90 40,07 3,11
result workunit 13054,21 46,78 143,50 12,90 39,57 3,07
result workunit 13048,34 46,76 143,50 12,90 39,59 3,07
result workunit 13071,79 46,85 143,50 12,90 39,52 3,06
result workunit 13064,48 46,82 143,50 12,90 39,54 3,06
result workunit 13258,10 47,51 148,67 12,90 40,37 3,13
result workunit 13021,78 46,67 133,93 12,90 37,03 2,87
result workunit 13033,48 46,71 133,93 12,90 36,99 2,87
result workunit 13133,43 47,07 148,13 12,90 40,60 3,15
result workunit 13125,52 47,04 148,13 12,90 40,63 3,15
result workunit 13178,72 47,23 149,16 12,90 40,75 3,16
result workunit 13207,19 47,33 149,16 12,90 40,66 3,15
result workunit 13196,59 47,29 149,16 12,90 40,69 3,15
result workunit 13190,52 47,27 149,16 12,90 40,71 3,16
result workunit 13181,40 47,24 149,16 12,90 40,74 3,16
result workunit 13252,05 47,49 149,16 12,90 40,52 3,14
result workunit 13211,13 47,35 149,16 12,90 40,65 3,15
result workunit 13140,32 47,09 149,16 12,90 40,86 3,17
result workunit 13156,27 47,15 149,16 12,90 40,82 3,16
result workunit 13148,86 47,12 149,16 12,90 40,84 3,17
result workunit 13219,84 49,09 149,16 13,37 40,62 3,04
result workunit 12959,91 48,12 148,74 13,37 41,32 3,09
result workunit 12977,02 48,19 146,43 13,37 40,62 3,04
result workunit 12947,33 48,08 146,43 13,37 40,71 3,05
result workunit 13154,21 48,85 136,90 13,37 37,47 2,80
result workunit 12978,47 48,19 146,43 13,37 40,62 3,04
result workunit 13120,51 48,72 148,38 13,37 40,71 3,05
result workunit 13107,80 48,67 148,38 13,37 40,75 3,05
result workunit 13158,50 48,86 148,38 13,37 40,59 3,04
result workunit 13125,49 48,74 148,24 13,37 40,66 3,04
result workunit 13110,98 48,68 149,08 13,37 40,93 3,06
result workunit 13114,16 48,70 149,08 13,37 40,92 3,06
result workunit 13118,70 48,71 149,08 13,37 40,91 3,06
result workunit 13155,94 48,85 149,08 13,37 40,79 3,05
result workunit 13111,17 48,69 149,08 13,37 40,93 3,06
result workunit 13122,69 48,73 149,08 13,37 40,90 3,06
result workunit 13110,67 48,68 149,08 13,37 40,94 3,06
result workunit 13077,05 48,56 145,55 13,37 40,07 3,00
result workunit 13078,30 48,56 145,55 13,37 40,06 3,00
Total: 628980,48 2286,32 6969,12 13,09 39,89 3,05 average
13,37 41,32 3,17 max
12,90 36,88 2,80 min

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Message 6645 - Posted 4 Apr 2012 14:15:43 UTC - in response to Message ID 6640 .

Hi Guys,

The credits are assigned according to the "flops" value of the workunits, it has an initial estimating of the flops, and then according to the actual flops returned by the workunits, it adjusts the flops value up and the credits increase.

We are updating the flops value more frequently now, so the credits can converge to the actual value faster. And we are working on changing some of the deamons to make a higher initial estimation flops value.

Will update you soon! Thanks for the patient and bearing with us!!

Boyu

At DPC there are several cows complaining about the fact they get longer Wu's but the amount of credits are still the same.
Any info on when the credits follow the time-increase ?

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Message 6646 - Posted 4 Apr 2012 15:27:22 UTC

Thanks for the quick answer Boyu! :)

I've got a follow up one. Will the increased flops and therefore credits apply solely to the newly generated wu's or will the old ones also get re-credited?

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Message 6647 - Posted 4 Apr 2012 16:17:22 UTC - in response to Message ID 6646 .

The ones that already have the credits granted will not be re-credited, but the ones that do not have credits granted will be granted the increased credits.

Thanks!
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Thanks for the quick answer Boyu! :)

I've got a follow up one. Will the increased flops and therefore credits apply solely to the newly generated wu's or will the old ones also get re-credited?

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Message 6650 - Posted 4 Apr 2012 22:23:54 UTC

Does it really matter how much credit is given?

To me the science matters more than the credit.

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Message 6651 - Posted 4 Apr 2012 22:45:13 UTC - in response to Message ID 6650 .

Does it really matter how much credit is given?

To me the science matters more than the credit.


May be so, but during our Stampede which was created to put DPC back on the map with some projects credits are as important as the science itself.
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Message 6652 - Posted 5 Apr 2012 6:38:38 UTC

From 146 credits for 9.516 sec. of work (55.23/hr) to 200 credits for 19.559 sec. of work (36.81/hr) is quite a difference and not really positive.

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Message 6653 - Posted 5 Apr 2012 8:02:45 UTC
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Not seeing a difference here either. (as in the problem having been solved)
8,476.14 seconds for 149.05 points old task (63.30 pph)
16,805.94 seconds for 138.59 points new task (29.69 pph) (submitted moments ago)
(from the same host of course)

The point of stats is to compare ones effort to that of others. That is no longer possible sadly. A total score does no longer tell of an amount of work.
I don't care about the numbers themselves, but do care about being able to compare my total amount of work done to that of others.

If CPU time is valued at less then 50% of what it used to, then all points granted in the past (for all teams and users) should be valued less at the same amount in order to be able to compare.

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Message 6654 - Posted 5 Apr 2012 8:37:35 UTC - in response to Message ID 6653 .
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...
8,476.14 seconds for 149.05 points old task (63.30 pph)
16,805.94 seconds for 138.59 points new task (29.69 pph) (submitted moments ago)
(from the same host of course)

...


Boyu's statement seems to have been a bit fuzzy, not those _credited_ after the adjustment receive more credits but the ones _created_ afterwards.

Older results still get the lower score, even if they are returned after the fix.
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Message 6655 - Posted 5 Apr 2012 10:34:00 UTC - in response to Message ID 6650 .
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Does it really matter how much credit is given?

To me the science matters more than the credit.

Don't underestimate the power of credits.

I agree that the science is more important. However, giving credits to participants is, more or less, the only way a project directly can give it's gratitude to all the people who are willing to ramp up their personal electricity bills. If crediting this effort has major flaws, this can really demotivate people to still participate and spend a lot of money on a project. Giving fair credit for work done is reasonable to expect.

We have a saying: "Voor niets gaat de zon op", roughly translating to "The sun rises for free". Meaning that for all other efforts, something should be compensated.

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Moreover, if it were just a small user, the impact is not so big. However, at this moment Dutch Power Cows are doing about 55-60% of the total work done each day, more than all other teams combined. Some of our users were doing way over 200.000 points each day; more than the #2 team daily. With such numbers (and thus effort and hard-earned bucks), fair crediting becomes way more important.
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Message 6657 - Posted 5 Apr 2012 17:49:17 UTC - in response to Message ID 6655 .

Hi Guys,

The credit problem is fixed now, but the old workunits that generated and distributed before are not going to get increased credits. The newly generated ones should be ok.

You can consider aborting some of the old ones, thanks for bearing with us!!

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Message 6658 - Posted 5 Apr 2012 19:42:41 UTC - in response to Message ID 6657 .

Hi Boyu,

Are you sure this is fixed?
I noticed that projects with a lead time of around:
13.5k seconds = ~147 points
26.5k seconds = hard cap of 200 points

I see this on multiple computers in my network a hard cap of 200 points being given.

With kind regards,
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Message 6659 - Posted 5 Apr 2012 21:56:46 UTC - in response to Message ID 6655 .

Does it really matter how much credit is given?

To me the science matters more than the credit.

Don't underestimate the power of credits.

I agree that the science is more important. However, giving credits to participants is, more or less, the only way a project directly can give it's gratitude to all the people who are willing to ramp up their personal electricity bills. If crediting this effort has major flaws, this can really demotivate people to still participate and spend a lot of money on a project. Giving fair credit for work done is reasonable to expect.

We have a saying: "Voor niets gaat de zon op", roughly translating to "The sun rises for free". Meaning that for all other efforts, something should be compensated.

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Moreover, if it were just a small user, the impact is not so big. However, at this moment Dutch Power Cows are doing about 55-60% of the total work done each day, more than all other teams combined. Some of our users were doing way over 200.000 points each day; more than the #2 team daily. With such numbers (and thus effort and hard-earned bucks), fair crediting becomes way more important.


If you care to look at my total credit you will see how much I have given to this project. A total that has accumulated over a 3 year period. I am a member of a small team that has devoted a lot of effort to this project.

If credit is so important then why not concentrate on projects that give unreasonably high credit for the amount of work done instead of complaining about how much credit you're getting on here.

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Message 6660 - Posted 5 Apr 2012 22:01:04 UTC - in response to Message ID 6659 .
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If you care to look at my total credit you will see how much I have given to this project. A total that has accumulated over a 3 year period. I am a member of a small team that has devoted a lot of effort to this project.

If credit is so important then why not concentrate on projects that give unreasonably high credit for the amount of work done instead of complaining about how much credit you're getting on here.

Friendly taunt: first to 10m wins? ;) :P

Also, Boyu has been great at giving a helping hand with a small issue that required some manual-effort on the projec/server-side. I'm happy with the project's management. And the great screensaver :)!
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Message 6661 - Posted 5 Apr 2012 23:06:16 UTC - in response to Message ID 6659 .

Does it really matter how much credit is given?

To me the science matters more than the credit.

Don't underestimate the power of credits.

I agree that the science is more important. However, giving credits to participants is, more or less, the only way a project directly can give it's gratitude to all the people who are willing to ramp up their personal electricity bills. If crediting this effort has major flaws, this can really demotivate people to still participate and spend a lot of money on a project. Giving fair credit for work done is reasonable to expect.

We have a saying: "Voor niets gaat de zon op", roughly translating to "The sun rises for free". Meaning that for all other efforts, something should be compensated.

edit:
Moreover, if it were just a small user, the impact is not so big. However, at this moment Dutch Power Cows are doing about 55-60% of the total work done each day, more than all other teams combined. Some of our users were doing way over 200.000 points each day; more than the #2 team daily. With such numbers (and thus effort and hard-earned bucks), fair crediting becomes way more important.


If you care to look at my total credit you will see how much I have given to this project. A total that has accumulated over a 3 year period. I am a member of a small team that has devoted a lot of effort to this project.

If credit is so important then why not concentrate on projects that give unreasonably high credit for the amount of work done instead of complaining about how much credit you're getting on here.



Well there you have the point exactly. You say you've collected those points over 3 years. To get the same amount of points again is gonna cost you 6 years now, yet in those 6 years you will do twice as much work as you did in the the first three... Isn't that totally wonky to you?

Look at it like this: You do your job. Your boss pays you 20 euro's per hour. You like your job just fine and your bossy is happy with you too. Now your boss comes to you and says, here's more work for you. Do it for 10 euro's per hour!

That's basically what happens as we get nothing out of it other than someone telling us "good job" and intrinsicly worthless credits.
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Message 6662 - Posted 6 Apr 2012 7:05:41 UTC

"If credit is so important then why not concentrate on projects that give unreasonably high credit for the amount of work done instead of complaining about how much credit you're getting on here"

It's not about unreasonably high credit but about a certain amount of credit for a certain amount of time which decreases the moment we join the project to get us a better place on the stats.
Furthermore I don't see a problem letting the credits follow the time-increase of the WU's : twice the amount of WU-running time means twice the amount of granted credits !
As stated before : Our DPC Stampede-project is created to get us placed as high as possible on the stats of a chosen project.

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Message 6664 - Posted 6 Apr 2012 8:08:20 UTC - in response to Message ID 6659 .


If credit is so important then why not concentrate on projects that give unreasonably high credit for the amount of work done instead of complaining about how much credit you're getting on here.


It's not the amount of credits that is important. There are projects that give 10 times the amount of credit that Docking does. But WITHIN a project, I think the credit should be steady compared to work done.

I couldn't care less if we got 1 credit per hour here. But I would not be very happy if, after we put in a lot of effort to climb in the rankings here, that amount of credit would be raised to 100 per hour, allowing other teams to regain lost ground in a day or so :)

So, the key word here is "steady"
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Message 6665 - Posted 6 Apr 2012 10:20:52 UTC - in response to Message ID 6664 .


If credit is so important then why not concentrate on projects that give unreasonably high credit for the amount of work done instead of complaining about how much credit you're getting on here.


It's not the amount of credits that is important. There are projects that give 10 times the amount of credit that Docking does. But WITHIN a project, I think the credit should be steady compared to work done.

I couldn't care less if we got 1 credit per hour here. But I would not be very happy if, after we put in a lot of effort to climb in the rankings here, that amount of credit would be raised to 100 per hour, allowing other teams to regain lost ground in a day or so :)

So, the key word here is "steady"


Docking doesn't award the same credit all the time, the amount of credit per unit varies. If you were a long term Docker you would notice this.
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Message 6666 - Posted 6 Apr 2012 10:43:35 UTC - in response to Message ID 6665 .

Docking doesn't award the same credit all the time, the amount of credit per unit varies. If you were a long term Docker you would notice this.
Probably if we were long termers. But because of our annually stampede, which is never on the same project, most of us Cows here are first timers. Because of this any unexpected BOINC credit behavior, unexpected to us anyway, triggers reactions in our team. That is why lot's of us Dutch are here now.


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Message 6667 - Posted 6 Apr 2012 10:55:57 UTC - in response to Message ID 6665 .


If credit is so important then why not concentrate on projects that give unreasonably high credit for the amount of work done instead of complaining about how much credit you're getting on here.


It's not the amount of credits that is important. There are projects that give 10 times the amount of credit that Docking does. But WITHIN a project, I think the credit should be steady compared to work done.

I couldn't care less if we got 1 credit per hour here. But I would not be very happy if, after we put in a lot of effort to climb in the rankings here, that amount of credit would be raised to 100 per hour, allowing other teams to regain lost ground in a day or so :)

So, the key word here is "steady"


Docking doesn't award the same credit all the time, the amount of credit per unit varies. If you were a long term Docker you would notice this.

Perhaps you should look at it this way.
Because of the major power DPC now is providing the project is able to make big steps forward aand I assume everybody overthere is very happy with that. However the reward we get for this is a decline in credit. That doesn't seem fair right? Others have been given a fair amount of credit for their work, why should we be getting less? We don't want unfair high amount of credit, we just want what others got in the past, seems fair to me.
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Message 6668 - Posted 6 Apr 2012 12:16:54 UTC - in response to Message ID 6665 .
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Docking doesn't award the same credit all the time, the amount of credit per unit varies. If you were a long term Docker you would notice this.

That's the point. However, what my teammates are trying to explain are that the credits per unit vary a lot. Due to the workload of all the Gflops that we are providing, the workunit size has increased. Some even take more than 2 days(!), while they all used to be less than 3 hours on my i7 2600K for example. The 2-3 hour work-units used to supply the account with ~130 credits. The new(!) 2 day ones give 200. That means that without our stampede you can get > 200 credits in < 6 hours of processing time. Now it is 200 credits for > 48 hours. That means that >3000 credits with the old system == 200 with new system.
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Message 6670 - Posted 6 Apr 2012 12:35:47 UTC
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Will you lot ever stop complaining??? First it was the lack of WU's, now it is the amount of credit you're getting!!!

You're not the only ones getting these lower credit WU's....

And it isn't the first time the credit awarded has been as low as this.

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Message 6671 - Posted 6 Apr 2012 12:54:30 UTC - in response to Message ID 6670 .
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Will you lot ever stop complaining??? First it was the lack of WU's, now it is the amount of credit you're getting!!!

You're not the only ones getting these lower credit WU's....

And it isn't the first time the credit awarded has been as low as this.

Hi Friend! ;)
For a fiend you're exceptionally reasonable or should I rephrase it as unreasonable reasonable?

The people just asked for linear credit rewards and that is not totally unfair. But I think the point has been made by now. Thanks a lot Docking staff for boosting up the amount of work units, great job! :)
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Message 6672 - Posted 6 Apr 2012 13:19:13 UTC

Will you lot ever stop complaining???
Why do you read this thread if you don't like what's written here?

And to remind you, it's you that was complaining (also) about the available WU's were you made pritty clear that you'd rather see us getting out of here:
The problem with "stampedes" like yours is that it creates extra demand for Wu's causing a shortage of available Wu's to regular crunchers, many of whom don't run other projects.


A rather different opinion was presented from your fellow regular chrunsher Butuz:
as the power cows stampede is exactly what this very worthy and under utilised project needs.


Please try and look at things from the bright side of life. We like fair points, what would you have against that? Is it such a crime to ask for that?
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Message 6673 - Posted 6 Apr 2012 13:41:34 UTC - in response to Message ID 6672 .

Will you lot ever stop complaining???
Why do you read this thread if you don't like what's written here?

And to remind you, it's you that was complaining (also) about the available WU's were you made pritty clear that you'd rather see us getting out of here:
The problem with "stampedes" like yours is that it creates extra demand for Wu's causing a shortage of available Wu's to regular crunchers, many of whom don't run other projects.


A rather different opinion was presented from your fellow regular chrunsher Butuz:
as the power cows stampede is exactly what this very worthy and under utilised project needs.


Please try and look at things from the bright side of life. We like fair points, what would you have against that? Is it such a crime to ask for that?


Where have I stated that you are not welcome? Cos I certainly didn't post that!!!

The fact is I hope quite a few of you stay Docking after your "stampede" has finished. Projects like Docking/GPUGRID/Rostta/Malaria are for the benefit of the whole of mankind and much more useful than something like primegrid or Collatz.
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Message 6674 - Posted 6 Apr 2012 14:13:35 UTC

@TheFiend, The comment u stated is exactly why we democracticly chose 2 donate the power os a stampede 2 Docking. It's a small program wich can certainly use the boost from the power, or discomfort ;), it gives 2 a project. Lastyear the stampede was on Malariacontrol and quite a few members sticked 2 the project afterwards.

I personally am thankfull that in a smart move by doubling the size of the wu's there are wu's 2 chrunch however, i, as so many teammembers think it only fair 2 be compensated for the work. That for me is part of the fun. My personal goal 2 get my 980 and 2600k as highest chunching versions of that specific processor won't be reached this way. No matter because i will keep on chrunching for Docking for this month.

if you would care 2 check the stats site from Digik-oz.nl you will see we are not a team that works primarely for the points. Lots of us seek project wich are close to our harts.

Sincerely,

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Message 6675 - Posted 6 Apr 2012 14:40:47 UTC
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Never mind, not worth it.

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Message 6676 - Posted 6 Apr 2012 14:51:20 UTC - in response to Message ID 6658 .

Hi Bob,

Thanks for the feedback, I increased the maximum credits granted, it should be ok now.

Thanks,
Boyu

Hi Boyu,

Are you sure this is fixed?
I noticed that projects with a lead time of around:
13.5k seconds = ~147 points
26.5k seconds = hard cap of 200 points

I see this on multiple computers in my network a hard cap of 200 points being given.

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Message 6677 - Posted 6 Apr 2012 15:20:43 UTC - in response to Message ID 6676 .

Hi Bob,

Thanks for the feedback, I increased the maximum credits granted, it should be ok now.

Thanks,
Boyu

Hero :). Surely will be sticking for a while on this project :D.
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Message 6678 - Posted 6 Apr 2012 15:27:40 UTC - in response to Message ID 6676 .

Thanks for the quick action :)

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Message 6679 - Posted 6 Apr 2012 15:41:42 UTC - in response to Message ID 6678 .

Thanks for the quick action :)


Can confirm this issue is also resolved now.
Thanks boyu!
Time for crunching goes on.

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Message 6682 - Posted 6 Apr 2012 22:46:31 UTC

Docking doesn't award the same credit all the time, the amount of credit per unit varies. If you were a long term Docker you would notice this.


TheFiend, come on... We have very senior members in our team. Besides we are spread across many projects as a team. We have some number 1 spots across projects, so please don't suggest we are not dedicating long term support for these scientific projects.

If credit is so important then why not concentrate on projects that give unreasonably high credit for the amount of work done instead of complaining about how much credit you're getting on here.


That is so unfair to say, because if we would turn this the other way around:
If Docking would suddenly start rewarding 1000 credits per WU, YOU! would be the one here screaming and shouting the credits are unfair.

If you have worked so hard and so long to achieve a nice and respectable score of 9 million credits, then of course you'd hate it if some people achieve that score in 3 months instead of 3 years like you did.

Moreover, that's a nice score you got there! We'll see how far we get ;)
Crunch on!
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Message 6684 - Posted 7 Apr 2012 6:53:38 UTC - in response to Message ID 6676 .

Hi Boyu,

Thnx for the quick responses and fixes!!
Much appreciated :)

Cheers!

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Message 6695 - Posted 10 Apr 2012 1:40:03 UTC - in response to Message ID 6673 .

Projects like Docking/GPUGRID/Rostta/Malaria are for the benefit of the whole of mankind...

Will they?
What will be the result of these projects, (new) cure/drugs for some diseases?
Will those drugs be for free, because "we" already put in alot of money (hardware and high electricity bills) aka research costs? Or will we still be charged with high prices by those big pharmaceutical companies?

Yes, i participate because of the fun, i don't care about this kind of "science".
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Message 6696 - Posted 10 Apr 2012 13:37:23 UTC

Hey let's all just get along!!! I hope some of you stick around on docking.

I can see where you are coming from, but just because some companies make money and profits out of selling drugs does not mean that we should abandon the whole of medical science / research.

Crunch what you want to crunch at the end of the day!!! And be happy!

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Message 6697 - Posted 10 Apr 2012 15:33:14 UTC - in response to Message ID 6696 .

Crunch what you want to crunch at the end of the day!!! And be happy!

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Message 6699 - Posted 11 Apr 2012 12:33:27 UTC - in response to Message ID 6695 .

Projects like Docking/GPUGRID/Rostta/Malaria are for the benefit of the whole of mankind...

Will they?
What will be the result of these projects, (new) cure/drugs for some diseases?
Will those drugs be for free, because "we" already put in alot of money (hardware and high electricity bills) aka research costs? Or will we still be charged with high prices by those big pharmaceutical companies?

Yes, i participate because of the fun, i don't care about this kind of "science".


My wife lost a close friend to AIDS. I don't put a "price" on my participation in this project.

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Message 6700 - Posted 12 Apr 2012 21:08:43 UTC

I think this discussion is going the wrong way.
Let me ask you this, can you give us one good reason why we should get less points than given before on this project?

I am in for the fun AND to give this project a boost AND to give DPC a boost.
And I think all the cows feel te same, some of them perhaps one of these reasons more than the other.

Who cares what everyone's reason is for crunching,
lets crunch!!!

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Message 6730 - Posted 10 May 2012 10:31:18 UTC

Swings and roundabouts time....... there's now some higher than normal credit Wu's in the mix....

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Message 6733 - Posted 10 May 2012 14:17:54 UTC - in response to Message ID 6695 .

Projects like Docking/GPUGRID/Rostta/Malaria are for the benefit of the whole of mankind...

Will they?
What will be the result of these projects, (new) cure/drugs for some diseases?
Will those drugs be for free, because "we" already put in alot of money (hardware and high electricity bills) aka research costs? Or will we still be charged with high prices by those big pharmaceutical companies?


The large part of boinc project related to medicine/chemistry are OPEN, so are open also results. For example:
http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rah_publications.php
http://boinc.fzk.de/poem/index.php?section=resultpage
http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~juris/WCG/HCCprogress.html

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